tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2376208744490382379.post5220670449486915573..comments2023-12-29T04:06:05.923-05:00Comments on The Blood Angels: by Jawaballs: Jawaballs at Mechanicon GT Game Four Battle Report BA vs SalamandersJawaballshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06188462457051627625noreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2376208744490382379.post-53396489766706054532010-02-25T09:23:39.741-05:002010-02-25T09:23:39.741-05:00Necromancy! :)
I am at peace with how Land Raider...Necromancy! :)<br /><br />I am at peace with how Land Raiders and rotations work. Especially since I will be playing one for the first time this weekend! Oh yes, I will be taking full advantage of the extra bit of movement. Oh yes...Jawaballshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06188462457051627625noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2376208744490382379.post-37559113786276127572010-02-25T08:56:16.703-05:002010-02-25T08:56:16.703-05:00and I will beat this dead horse again..
We have h...and I will beat this dead horse again..<br /><br />We have house ruled and it has been going on for a couple of years now... <br /><br />that to avoid any issues with funky vehicle moves is to measure movement distances from the center of the vehicle. <br /><br />Yes its changing of the actual rules.. but it removes any of that extra inches crap.<br /><br />Hope that helpsBadbeefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02286283979734498580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2376208744490382379.post-45456257714222198492010-02-20T10:44:50.119-05:002010-02-20T10:44:50.119-05:00Not to beat a dead horse here but back to the LR m...Not to beat a dead horse here but back to the LR movement. lets say in my movement phase i rotate my LR, which by the way i don't use in my BA army, but just for the sake of argument. So i rotate my LR, which is free and doesn't count as moving, then go about my business of moving the rest of my units. i then come back and decide to move my LR. would this be illegal? i would measure from the front of the LR as it had already been turned. i do agree that is cheesy but maybe not exactly illegalUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10488617569055824256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2376208744490382379.post-40931488217045320952010-01-26T02:53:24.902-05:002010-01-26T02:53:24.902-05:00Man alive. Headed to the Con of the North in less ...Man alive. Headed to the Con of the North in less than two weeks and just now I realize my buddies BA librarians have an unlimited range psychic hood. I'm taking along a 140 Pt Librarian in Terminator army to try and get within 24" of the lashes and tyranid lance lasers and here he can buy an unlimited range for 120. Oh the sweet poetry. You're my boy Jawaballs. Uttini friend. Uttini. Congratulations on the little Jawa by the way. Hope alien desert scavenger and mother are both well.QP Quaddlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07596146858586513583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2376208744490382379.post-89890707328601257142009-11-20T10:00:34.384-05:002009-11-20T10:00:34.384-05:00An invul would make him supreme! Just keep him in...An invul would make him supreme! Just keep him in a squad and he should not die. He will go first against most enemies, and should kill all but the toughest before they can hit back.Jawaballshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06188462457051627625noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2376208744490382379.post-45148770777643075482009-11-20T09:51:38.212-05:002009-11-20T09:51:38.212-05:00Wow good point jawaballs. I've always forgot t...Wow good point jawaballs. I've always forgot to use those powers on my enemies turn. Cheers. Only problem I find with him is the missing invun save.Ryanjsmallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01949587862236149616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2376208744490382379.post-4976317200301446442009-11-20T09:04:15.916-05:002009-11-20T09:04:15.916-05:00Mephiston can actually use all three of his power...Mephiston can actually use all three of his powers per turn. He is one of the sepcial exceptions. He can use his Wings of Sanguinius to get into combat, then he can use Might of Heroes and Transfixing Gaze in your assault phase, THEN you can use them again in his! Mephiston is one of the most powerful psychers in the imperium and his abilities should reflect that. Sadly though, he only had 3 crappy powers.Jawaballshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06188462457051627625noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2376208744490382379.post-829163612738544382009-11-20T07:49:57.190-05:002009-11-20T07:49:57.190-05:00Yes indeed his arguments are not valid at all. See...Yes indeed his arguments are not valid at all. Seems like a push made by a more experienced player who got his ass kiced by the en kid on the block and demanded some immoral pay-back.<br /><br />you are more then allowed to use a power and your Force weapon in the same assault phase. the rules are clear that you ca use 1 power per player turn and added the mephiston rule can use his force weapons as well. nothing limits these 2 being used in the same phase.<br /><br />Cheers CJCJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10684949522759606374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2376208744490382379.post-50165935579711927392009-11-20T06:16:17.634-05:002009-11-20T06:16:17.634-05:00Thanks CJ
Yeh Mephistons page says he can use one...Thanks CJ<br /><br />Yeh Mephistons page says he can use one of each power + his force weapon per turn but the guy was saying that the 2 powers used in assault, i could only use 1. Me thinks he preyed upon my newbieness.Ryanjsmallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01949587862236149616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2376208744490382379.post-4210017648808542092009-11-20T05:47:56.298-05:002009-11-20T05:47:56.298-05:00If I recall correctly the blood Angels still have ...If I recall correctly the blood Angels still have the old Psychic hood which negates Psychic powers with a LD roll off between the to psychers. This old one does not have any range and their for hasn't got any specified.<br /><br />Secondly unless you have a wargear option that allows you to use more then one psychic power a turn you can't use 2 powers in the same turn. it's clearly stated in the Psycher section of the rulebook.<br /><br />"Psycher can use one psychic power per player turn"<br /><br />this does however mean that you can use things like warptime in the opponents turn if you where a chaos player.<br /><br />if you have wargear for to powers you can still only use one power that is considered a psychic shooting attack since a normal model can only shoot once. And if you want to use a force weapon you can also only use only that. also stated in the Psychic section of the rulebook<br /><br />hope this clears things up for you.<br /><br />Cheers CJCJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10684949522759606374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2376208744490382379.post-82692802814033635552009-11-20T05:33:48.664-05:002009-11-20T05:33:48.664-05:00Ah i love a good debate.
I have never faced a lan...Ah i love a good debate.<br /><br />I have never faced a landraider and i will keep all of this in mind if i do come up against one. I wish the rulebook stated a few things a bit more clearly.<br /><br />The assault thing i think was fair but would have been different if they were models with the same initiative and decared that they were splitting their attacks and then changed his mind after doing half of them.<br /><br />The same thing seems to keep coming up tho. lack of detail in the rulebook. Why dont GW have a online live rulebook FAQ running to clear up these things?<br /><br />Jawaballs and fellow gamers could you clear 2 things for me. Im not trying to hyjack the thread or anything but am new to playing at a club. A guy at my club was trying to tell me you can only use one psychic power a phase which i think is bull am i correct? and the space marine codex states that the psychic hood has a 24" range yet the blood angels codex doesnt give a range? Do blood angels have unlimited range with they psychic hood? CheersRyanjsmallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01949587862236149616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2376208744490382379.post-18967273804688540922009-11-18T11:59:19.606-05:002009-11-18T11:59:19.606-05:00I know man, thats why I didnt just delete the comm...I know man, thats why I didnt just delete the comment. Usually when dudes are just posting to be jerks or unhelpful, I delete them.Jawaballshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06188462457051627625noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2376208744490382379.post-24855299914660126842009-11-18T10:52:41.516-05:002009-11-18T10:52:41.516-05:00i dont consider poorly worded rules as clear cut r...i dont consider poorly worded rules as clear cut resolutions as is in the case of DoG or Vehical facing and 3+ covers .Im also not a fan of the pivot or smoke trick either.<br />I lump rules contradictions and poorly worded rules in the same pile because they usually come to the same result, which is some sort of rules exploitation giving the user an in-game edge. <br />But that my opinion i guess.<br /><br />BTW... i luv ya chris, so i appologize for sounding confrontational its not my intent. I know these are things you and i could easily discuss in person just as pationatly(sp)pissclamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09291125823083206636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2376208744490382379.post-86604172342747578822009-11-18T06:34:46.432-05:002009-11-18T06:34:46.432-05:00I see your point Ed, and I will be more careful ab...I see your point Ed, and I will be more careful about how I word my posts in the future. <br /><br /> I have to say that I still don't see a relationship between Tank Shock/Facing and smoke/pivot. The first two are simply RAW. You may not like them, and it may be cheezy to employ them, but they are rules with clear cut resolutions. The second two rely on contradicting rules that say they are both legal and illegal. People know that, and use them any way.Jawaballshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06188462457051627625noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2376208744490382379.post-67529926799228644892009-11-17T23:35:07.241-05:002009-11-17T23:35:07.241-05:00"got beef" yea i guess.
PoTMS and smok..."got beef" yea i guess. <br />PoTMS and smoke are wonky<br />Vehicle pivot is wonky<br />Tank shock Model sniping is wonky<br />Vehical facing and 3+ cover is wonky<br /><br />there all easter eggs and exploits as far as im concerned. Do the rules support them...yup they do. Are they RAI... nah i dont think so.<br /><br />These gems among others get discovered during tournaments and then tossed in during casual games. I cant tell you how many times ive heard that "so and so did this and that..during some sort of tourny so im going to use it now"<br /><br />Now im not going to call someone out for using these exploits because they are supported by RAW and i know you can go into full blown rant on how you would be a fool not to use certain questionable rule exploits,you can fully explain in detail to us how the rule works. Thats not my beef. My beef is Jawa, that i respect you way to much not to call you out when you use your Blog to call out others as exploit abusers and cheesers for using the same sort of rules bending that i see going on at out club.<br /><br />What i would prefer is some honesty here and that honesty is not declaring people as cheaters when they are simply using exploits that are supported by RAW.pissclamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09291125823083206636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2376208744490382379.post-91874415509537604572009-11-17T22:13:59.492-05:002009-11-17T22:13:59.492-05:00Go Jawaballs!!
So here is how I see the moving ...Go Jawaballs!! <br /><br />So here is how I see the moving and pivoting issue. So if a vehicle is allowed to move 12 inches maximum how can it end up 14" away? It doesn't matter how you lawyer the rules on pivoting or turning during the move, the vehicle can only end 12" away from where it started. Any other clever interpretation of the rules that will let you end up farther away will break the maximum move rule and is so null and void. Done.<br /><br />The declaring attacks thing, well that's the mistake Tim made, he declared. There was no need to do so until the initiative based attack was up for roll. I can see the confusion with an opponent declaring "model x is attacking model y", but then model y dies first and "so now x is going to attack something else instead"... It shouldn't have been declared in the first place. <br /><br />As for this other stuff, I agree with you Jawa, there is no clever interpretation involved here at all. With tank shock, the rulebook clearly says "one of it's models in the vehicles path" so if you run over 1 or 9 models in a unit the others don't get the option of DoG, period. <br />And vehicle facing? There is even a nice picture on pg60 to illustrate just how to draw those armor facing lines from corner to corner. How is this even an issue?<br /><br />I hope all this internet crap hasn't soured what was described as a fun game with a good opponent. <br /><br />I'd love to see some more of the videos of Mechanicon when you get a chance! And I just picked up some of the resin bases from the JawaForge to help support the Jawababy! Congrats!<br /><br />Questions,<br />So what was your Final list exactly? It seems different then what is listed as the "final Mechanicon list" is why I ask.<br />Are you playing this weekend too? Same list, or making any more changes? <br /><br />-FuryFuryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08687335295024426528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2376208744490382379.post-82772473515690016122009-11-17T20:01:31.442-05:002009-11-17T20:01:31.442-05:00Jeez Ed, got beef? Seriously, I like and respect y...Jeez Ed, got beef? Seriously, I like and respect you too much to take that too personally. Should I read it as any thing more then just a guy calling a buddy out?<br /><br />Do I need to make another post on Facing and Tank Shock? I have brought up both right here and elsewhere and am confident that the way I play them are accepted as the way they are intended to be played. Not as cheeze. I take advantage of no loop hole in either of those examples. There is a fine line between cheezing and good tactical decisions. Tank shocking the back half of a squad so that you don't make contact with the Meltagun is just smart. Why charge that model if you can avoid it. Why should you get to Death or Glory with a Meltagun that is 10 inches away? Or even 2 or 3 for that matter... Only models that a vehicle comes in contact with can DoG. I even go as far as to offer DoG to models that are forced to move by being within 1" of my tank when I finish moving even though I don't contact them. If I was cheezing it, I could say that only the model my tank physically would touch can DoG. The way I resolve it sounds pretty fair and open minded to me.<br /><br />Moving a model before you measure, then measuring from the new position is just cheezing and defines cheeze because guys that do it know it is the product of rules wording wonkiness which they can get away with. There is no clear answer either way.<br /><br />Vehicle Facing? It is the position of your model that determines which armor value of my tank that it fires on. If you are in the side facing of my predator, you get to shoot at armor value 11. Nothing we can do about it. If that side is obscured 50%, I get a cover save. There is no abuse of rule wording there my friend. That is just how it works. Am I wrong? I will open up a new blog post for your benefit on this one.<br /><br />Cheezers take advantage of wonky rule wording to get an advantage, like PoTMS and Smoke which I agree they can get away with but call it cheeze because it abuses a loop hole, moving (pivoting) a LR before measuring and Twin Linking redeemer cannons. By the way, after 30 comments I still don't see a clear answer in one direction or the other on the pivot discussion.<br /><br />Smart tactical players know how the rules work and use them when their opponents don't rather then exploiting loop holes.<br /><br />Also, knowing the rules and explaining them to some one who is ignorant of them is doing you a favor man. I even put up a nice post with diagrams to help explain facing and see if my understanding was wrong. It was not. I thought that you left that game satisfied that the rules were resolved appropriately, if a bit annoyed. I guess you still object?<br /><br />If you think I am wrong, show me. I will be the first to admit it. If you got problems with how some one plays, open up a discussion, don't come drop passive aggression on a blog post. "Hey Jawa, I'm still not convinced on Vehicle Facing... think we can talk about it some more?" I discussed this issue at length with Tim before posting on it. We both agreed it was cheeze. Don't I deserve the same respect from you? If I am not playing the game right, I need to know. Educate me. <br /><br />As I write this, I do admit a little cheeze in how I tank shock, to get back to that topic. I will aim a tank shock so I clip a single model on the end of a squad and stop there. Thus making contact only with that model, and having that model be the only one that can Death or Glory. Is that abusing a loop hole and being a cheezer or just being smart? Another topic for a post tomorrow! <br /><br />And I hardly consider you a casual player. You come to play hard, with tough lists, and can compete to win any tournament that I can. This weekend at BFS I consider you, Danny Internets and Rob Baer the top contenders.Jawaballshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06188462457051627625noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2376208744490382379.post-62680130160938082842009-11-17T16:11:54.010-05:002009-11-17T16:11:54.010-05:00What concerns me the most about this post was the ...What concerns me the most about this post was the fact that there was a judge present and so many discrepancies went unanswered. <br />At least you two competitors kept in perspective.Gonewild40khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03288386569896024651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2376208744490382379.post-82521361340994946462009-11-17T13:09:26.423-05:002009-11-17T13:09:26.423-05:00First the LR smoke/PotMS and shooting post.
Now t...First the LR smoke/PotMS and shooting post. <br />Now the extra movement on LR's after pivoting.<br /><br />These are declared as cheese !!! and cheats!!! By Jawa...<br /> yet its acceptable to pull out the "draw a line out from vehicals corners to determine vehical facings hiding behind a piece of terrain to get a +3 cover save"..or the "model sniping" to avoid melta gunners during tank shocks.<br /><br />All acceptable Easter Eggs squeezed out of the rules to gain some sort of benefit.<br /><br />Whats difficult to stomach is our competitive gamers in our group calling out people as cheese mongerers to each others face or in there blogs and then either using the same tactic or equivalent easter eggs against the unsuspecting casual gamers.<br /><br />Im a casual gamer having only attended 3 local tournys, I however love playing against competitve gamers in our group because it ups my game lot.<br /><br />Its apparent to me that legal tactics get called cheese and cheats when our competitive gamers experiance these suprises for the first time and then deem them acceptable when it suits them.pissclamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09291125823083206636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2376208744490382379.post-23518149907368924692009-11-15T11:22:23.858-05:002009-11-15T11:22:23.858-05:00point taken.
i agree that some people use the end...point taken.<br /><br />i agree that some people use the end result without a grasp of the thought process that created the list. same goes for all net lists really.<br /><br />i don't know about the up and up comment, I don;t know the guy personally, but like I said, from his posts, it is obvious he is about fair play with hard lists.<br />one example being the PoTMS shooting after popping smoke. he called it the BS that it is. Insert your own house rule here, because I'm sure people will argue that one into the ground. But I am of the group that think it is a lame move. <br /><br />point of story is this, keep winning despite what cheese-heads thow at you!Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06870969601837388581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2376208744490382379.post-50598174179518653582009-11-14T13:37:08.195-05:002009-11-14T13:37:08.195-05:00It wasnt a stab at Stellek because no offense was ...It wasnt a stab at Stellek because no offense was intended. More of a friendly poke. I've enjoyed reading his blog myself and he has posted no gripe with me, in fact, compliments. (as much as a compliment as he will give.) However, guys try to use some of the stuff he preaches as if it is law. They use his end product without the background to how he got there. I can almost guess sometimes when my opponents have been reading Yes the Truth Hurts based on the shenanigans they are trying. :) <br /><br />I think even he will admit that some of what he writes is not on the up and up and I dont think he would take offense to this.Jawaballshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06188462457051627625noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2376208744490382379.post-86656368116388490002009-11-14T10:03:59.813-05:002009-11-14T10:03:59.813-05:00good bat rep jawa, sounded like a fun game!
all t...good bat rep jawa, sounded like a fun game!<br /><br />all the salient points have been hashed so I'll leave them alone.<br /><br />i'm saddened by your stab at Stelek. I know he's unpopular among some of the 40k blogosphere, but taking blind stabs at someone is lame. he advocates strong lists and good tactics, and is the first to call out d-bag play. i'd suggest you read his blog if you don't, he has lots of good ideas in that crazy head of his, if you can see through the non-tactic stuffMichaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06870969601837388581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2376208744490382379.post-45242062519835952702009-11-14T05:12:46.131-05:002009-11-14T05:12:46.131-05:00The whole point of being able to picot during a mo...The whole point of being able to picot during a move is to make sure that a model can get through tight spaces. People sometimes forget that like true line of sight, there true movement as well. If a model (like a Rhino or a LR) can't fit in between two terrain pieces and it doesn't want to (or can't) go into that terrain... it can't go. So if there's an immbolized Rhino just a smidge less than another Rhino's width next to an impassible hill, a second Rhino can't go through there. The model has to be physically able to move where it needs to be moved. GW really ought to say "push your model along the table", because that's what they want... not so much picking up a model and putting it back down in a new spot after measuring.Doc Railgunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16808605139309232776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2376208744490382379.post-86821003453326423342009-11-13T19:20:18.952-05:002009-11-13T19:20:18.952-05:00Tim I didnt mention the bike assault thing because...Tim I didnt mention the bike assault thing because I didnt want this to be gang up rant against you! Besides, that was resolved with a simple look in the book. <br /><br />The situation was, I had two models in difficult terrain, one in front of the other. He was assaulting them. The front of the lead bike was sticking out of terrain. He could reach that one easily without entering terrain, but the rules of assault mean that his next model has to try to reach the next one if it can. That means that even though he could reach the first one without a difficult terrain test, he still had to make one since the next model would have to make a test to reach the second bike. (Tim was argueing that he did not need to make a terrain test.) <br /><br />But that was resolved easily enough. <br /><br />Goatboy, it is all Jwolf's fault. We were supposed to play at Bolscon and the pairings got messed up! We can point fingers directly at him. :) I doubt I will make it to Adepticon, so the next chance we are going to get to play is Bolscon next year. Unless you all go to Gamesday.Jawaballshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06188462457051627625noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2376208744490382379.post-16405760722639227862009-11-13T18:10:15.478-05:002009-11-13T18:10:15.478-05:00Baal Predator
-$50
Cost to put that Baal Predat...Baal Predator <br />-$50<br /><br /><br />Cost to put that Baal Predator on the table <br /><br />-150pts<br /><br /><br />Blowing up a Land Raider with an assault cannon and calling it while singing an 80's tune <br /><br />-PricelessOanuehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08840386743548402611noreply@blogger.com