There, I said it.
Don't know where I got this.
It is a nice example of a resin model.
Thank you GW for getting rid of metal models whose paint chips off if you look at them funny. How many of you have to continually touch up the tips of the swords of your metal sergeants? Enough.
The skulls on my old mephiston's cloak stick really far up in the air and rub against the transport tray.
They are exposed silver.
The paint chipped off my new Emo Vamp mephiston's forhead. (Vlad Von Karstein)
That is going to take an hour to fix.
Who is sick of having to pin metal models? Has any one ever assembled High Marshal Helbrecht? Yah, how many of you enjoyed pinning that hand. Last week I tried to help one of the 12 year olds in my club pin some big Tyranid model. What trash! that thing went together sooo poorly we worked for an hour and a half and only had the body together! I had to stop because my poor hands were crippled from all the drilling. That was without a doubt the worst metal model I ever encountered.
I dropped my metal Blood Angels Furioso Dread on the floor. Not only did it explode like a frag grenade, but the pewter dented where it impacted the floor.
A broken toe waiting to happen?
How many of you have experiences like this? Some guys like metal. Some like the feel, the weight. I think it's difficult to use on a table. Metal models slide down slightly sloped terrain. Metal parts imbalance large models, making them topple over or spin around. (Eldar Prism Tank any one?) Some metal models won't stand no matter what you do with them short of actually putting more metal into the base. (Hello Banshees!) Who has old metal las cannon devastators? How many times do they fall over per game?
Lol. Try keeping this from falling over during a game.
How about converting metal models? I tried to convert some metal Chaos Warriors into Space Marines. I tried filing down all the chaos stars and such. I ended up with a bunch of badly mangled metal models. Converting my Emo Vamp Mephiston took an hour of drilling, filing and cutting. If it were resin it would take 3 minutes.
Buh Bye File!
Metal mold lines are a nightmare.
Look at this crap!
Metal is fragile! I tried bending the sword of a brand new metal Incubi into shape, and woops... it snapped.
Broken Mandrake? (Thanks BOLS)
Ever try to assemble metal Land Raider Crusader sponsons?
How many of you bought these POS?
Is this not better?
Haha.
I suppose I could go on, but I think I made the point. Metal sucks. We all know it. This was a long time coming and I am thankful for it. We can look forward to a future of beautifully detailed and easy to work with models. A small price increase to have this luxury is worth it in my opinion. Any one that has ever assembled the old Baal Predators, Furioso Dreads, Crusader Sponsons and Metal Devastators (or insert your hated metal model of choice here) will instantly agree. The new models, and their subsequent price increase were well worth it. The same will be said about the new GW resin.
How many of you have happily shelled out 14 bucks plus shipping
then waited two months for these?
Of course, I am not happy about a price increase right on the heels of another major price increase. I just paid 17 dollars for a blister that I paid 8 dollars for in 2006. Now it will be 20. The same sculpt! But such is the price of the game. It will definitely slow down my buying. But I know that I will be buying superior product. I suppose the trade off is worth it.
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I started playing Grey Knights about two years before the new codex was even announced. I didn't build up much; only about 1,500 points worth. But that's still 1,500 points of pure metal models. As such, I got pretty good in dealing with metal models. I actually never minded them. It got to the point where my Tyranid buddy would get me to put together his metal guys because he could never do it, and I always seemed to have the magic touch.
THAT SAID
I'm equally ecstatic about the switch to resin. I'm never gonna have to worry about bent pieces (I mean, they'll still be bent and stuff, but at least it'll be easily fixable), and one of the biggest things I'm excited about is how easily resin can kitbash with plastic. That's huge to me, and I'm really looking forward to it.
Nice to see I'm not the only one who isn't advocating the destruction of GW as an entire company just because they're trying to increase their profit margin beyond 5%.
Loving the resin models.
I am with you dude.
On the part of things like mould lines / ease of assembly - my god. Just now my Astorath (which I got purely to paint - never actually used the model) has had its wings broken off (and they are pinned!).
Plus those resin models detail looks far superior - lets just hope for no mis-moulding.
My biggest "WOOO!" part of it is - conversions. I converted Brother Capt Stern into my Belial - but it wasnt that big a job (because of metal) - now I'd happily sculpt away at him with a knife knowing I am not going to have hours and hours of endless filing and scraping to find out that it doesnt even look right anyway!
Spot on Bully. I had no idea after I dug into those metal Chaos models, (A pretty expensive box set) that they were going to look like slag. No amount of conversion goodness is worth that much fruitless effort. I worked for hours before I gave up, unable to hold the file.
I'm still a little nervous about the new FineCast. It sounds great, but there are a million different types and qualities of resin out there. The privateer press "plastic" for example is not that great to cut in my opinion. I'll pick up a blister and give it a shot, but I just can't get excited about it till I handle it.
I liked the random big clump of metal attached to an arm,leg or other part. That was same metal clump that needed hacked off before you could assemble the model.
The bent swords,spears and banner poles that would never again straighten.
Oh how I'll miss both of those things.
I have the first Marneus Calgar reserved for when he hits my shop. A quick one-two with my hobby knife and I have the perfect body for my Justicar Thawn.
I am working on an Emps Champ commission. The sword came bent almost in half. Now it is all wavy like one of those weird fantasy swords that they sell at cheap flea market stands with the dragon head hilts.
Personally, I've never been a fan of the metal models, chipping, breakages and the difficulty of putting them together as they won't DAMN GLUE! Yes, if there's one thing they did right it was to replace metal, wish the prices hadnt gone up as well...
A few days working on metal hydras are the reason I decided to not do that fantasy dark elf army after all.
I just with they had gotten rid of metal before I bought my Lysander, I have real problems keeping paint on him. That's what my last post was about actually.
@Warflake I'll second that opinion on Lysander. Seems like he's not in the first (I hope there will be second, third, etc) batch of finecasts. I will surely get one and paint up as a replacement to my current metal one. Metal is such a pain to deal with!
I also look forward to other characters getting the finecast treatment. Khan needs to be Fistified (I am both ashamed and proud of that one!) and metal will be too much of a bother to try that. I might actually get a "proper" Ragnar and modify it to not look awful. Leaving metal behind is really worth it. Hope they start selling their "bitz" as resin too, like shoulder guards and meltas. In fact, why not blend that business together with forgeworld's so I can order any of them without breaking the bank!
Cannot deny, the cost increase is massively out weighed by the saving in time and effort you are looking at by not having to deal with metal.
I hate to say it Dalinair but you are right. If I added my hourly rate to the cost of my metal models from the time I spent getting them ready to work with, or repairing them, the cost would be much more than the extra price GW is asking. My mephiston conversion for example consumed at least 2-3 hours of work time just to build. If it were resin? 2-3 minutes.
That's actually a Mandrake being assembled, not broken. I'll still keep my files around, but I'll definitely be getting more use out of my seam scraper (http://www.micromark.com/Seam-Scraper,7547.html)
I'm glad to see the metal models go.
Next thing I want to see gone are the weapons with two hands with neither arm attached, such as the new Daemonhammer Grey Knight or Marauders with flails, etc.I just can't put those guys together! Even with sticky tack, my fat fingers can't meet those specific four-piece-combination poses (two arms, weapon, and body).
As a Dark Eldar player, there is nothing worse than snapping bases. Second to that is all the cuts and blood lost cutting metal. I am all for less scars and more modeling opportunities.
Same here glad to see metal have its last hurrah and we move onto better models with improved details. Now if they would only deal with the price disparity with the hemispheres and i think allot of the hub bub would die down
Yes, Yes, a THOUSAND TIMES Yes! Yes and Gah to the fire prism, double Gah to the old LRC. If, by the time 6th edition rolls around, the entirety of their product line (or at least the lines I wish to continue buying) has been converted over to plastic, there will definitely be much rejoicing.
I'm very happy to get the new Resin/Plastic models, Lost count how many times ive had to touch up my models and when playing chaos my entire army was metal death guard.
My Rep told me today when i was making a order that we are getting our shipment of FineCraft Preorders tommorow so I cant wait to pop open my own personal orders and see how they look.
It seems to be a very supportive group in favor of GWs decision!
Guess I got into 40K at the right time, then... I just this weekend got my LRC together and magnetized (all plastic with the exception of the magnets) and judging from the sheer odium of the commentary base at the mere mention of Crusader sponsons, I somehow feel like a spoiled child. Doesn't mean I missed all of the metal, though: my HB marine (bought before I knew just how marginalized HBs were in 5th Ed), libby, chaplain, VV set, and standard bearer were metal kits and only the HB marine's given me significant problems. (Fie on these modern blank and textured plastic banners, I say!) It could also be because I've not assembled the VVs yet...
I've got to chime in with my own two cents. The replacement of metal with high-detail resin is almost like an early birthday gift for me. I couldn't be more happy.
I haven't played long and the only metal figurines I have is my Chaplain, Librarian and Mephiston. So, I guess I will be part of a better age of modeling...But, I swear if any of you start talking about 'modeling in my days we walked up hill in snow to the game shop' I swear I'm taking my figures home lol.
"The Initiate" - calm beforethewar.blogspot.com
I have been around since 2nd edition so and just because I my days we walked up hill in snow to the game shop. (^_^)
Sadly I will miss a few of the OOP metal box sets, but cant wait to get my hands on the new resin pieces. I have been working on an Eldar Army for over a year! Even in my carrying case I am getting tired of having to repaint my Striking Scorpions every 2 games.
*crosses fingers that they reprint some of the old metal box sets (Space Wolf Blood Claws)*
I couldn't agree more, those death company shoulder blades were an outstanding balls up by GW and what amused me further was how they didn't even bother to increase the size of them as models got bigger, in the end it was like trying to dress a ywo year old in 3-6months clothes
two*
I got my Castellan Crowe today and I am quite happy with it, was a ton of crap i had to cut off n clean up although there was quite a few nasty air bubbles that I will have to fill before i start to work on him more. its my first resin type model so it feels weird how his sword is soft and can bend
worked on him some more, If i hold his backpack banner up to light you can almost see thru it and one part of his cape just next to book on his wait is so thin that there is tiny holes in it
I’m all for it as long as it’s as good as they say. It concerns me just how good the photos look; I wonder if some filling and painting or some airbrushing/touching up has been carried out.
When it comes to some of the appalling metal castings though, there are manufacturers out there who produce metals with almost no mould lines and parts that fit perfectly. The difference is the scale of production, GW can afford not to have such stringent and costly quality control as they can easily replace any returns (if anyone even bothers to return a miscast rather than fixing it) but smaller companies will make sure that the quality is there to avoid the issue of returns and to make you want to go back. They can do this more easily as they are producing fewer miniatures.
Another point is that we don’t pin things because they’re heavy but because super glue/epoxy on it’s own isn’t that strong against shear stresses so it’s to strengthen the joint against knocks, therefore, I shall continue to pin joints. It's only hard polystyrene which doesn't need pins because the glue used is a solvent which actually dissolves the two surfaces and bonds them together rather than just adding an adhesive layer inbetween them.
Hmm Jason, that does not bode well! They are going to have to do better than that.
Ive had just as many bad casts and mold line issues with resin as I have had with metal. Resin is far better to work with than metal for sure. Just saying resin isn't all that either.
I wish I ebayed my metal nids a while ago. Now I'm gonna not be able to sell them for much of anything.
I'd also consider what happens when you drop a metal model in comparison to a resin one. Metal bends, resin snaps.
Check GeeDub homepage, they bend resin skultakers' sword by about 90 degrees - this resin is pretty soft.
I love the switch as well, but the quality of the new resin models is really spotty. I have several boxes of metal models recently replaced with resin models, and while the detail is nicer on the resin models in some cases, in others it is a disaster. Some of my finecast models are so poorly poured that my wifed suggested I take them back. The sternguard finecast kit was particularly terrible, forcing me to cut off a lot of damaged detail. On the other hand my new raptors are just beautiful. Does the ease of converting trump the quality issues of the current casts? I with the finecast boxes had clear windows in them so we could evaluate the individual pours before purchasing them.
SEND THEM BACK! Guys do not be satisfied with less than perfect models. I suspect some of these first wave of fine cast will be GW working through the kinks and trying to make a profit off their first casts. I know I junk the first dozen or so sets of bases I make off a new mold. They are not good enough to sell. I have seen pictures of a Crowe model covered with bubbles and that is unacceptable. While I like the idea of resin models, Don't let GW for one second lower the bar and charge more.
My personal most HATED meal figure:
Plasma Cannon Devestator.
If he falls over ONE more time ...
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